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@neofugue1 I mean yeah And also honestly, even Aristotelian moderate realism (as I understand it and as how the Catholic Encyclopedia on newadvent dot org describes it) has major issues. It can be admitted that the universals are really immanent in their particulars, because to say something about a particular means a particular really has something. But at the same time, said something must also be really real, or else whatever you’re saying becomes empty noise. And if the essences of substances don’t need qualities, then qualities themselves don’t need these essences either, since these qualities themselves must also be real. Platonic realism thus remains superior to Aristotelian moderate realism. Source on moderate realism: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11090c.htm

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